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ddelucca
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:51 am

Leghion wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd00-UcFq_k

Legend Rhony made an Video about Jacques, not maxed, no firestorm, no rocket, 0 ability points, not maxed out might and he outdmges everything already... He says: "Must have hero for every race, worth to be maxed out, you wont regret, now i understand why everyone is complaining about him".

Let me check the patchnotes... Wraxius nerfed... Anything about jacques? Nope...


Yeah. Sad to see yet another PTR patch and nothing about Jacques... By now they should just put him as a hero for Patron users. Because he is simply an requirement to enjoy the game right now.
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:39 am

ddelucca wrote:
Leghion wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd00-UcFq_k

Legend Rhony made an Video about Jacques, not maxed, no firestorm, no rocket, 0 ability points, not maxed out might and he outdmges everything already... He says: "Must have hero for every race, worth to be maxed out, you wont regret, now i understand why everyone is complaining about him".

Let me check the patchnotes... Wraxius nerfed... Anything about jacques? Nope...


Yeah. Sad to see yet another PTR patch and nothing about Jacques... By now they should just put him as a hero for Patron users. Because he is simply an requirement to enjoy the game right now.


I get by without him but I’m very very much an exception and agree 100% even though I refuse to use him.
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:34 am

this is plain stupid guys. without jacques how do you break a castle defense full of gold? think about it if there's no jacques then we all just hole up in our castle and literally no one can touch us. i personally like jacques because it breaks the stalemate made by full gold garrison. and now since they buffed healing time of wall troops you shouldn't even complain lol. on my server there's a huge fucking whale that have every heroes and 3 tier above in our middle average spender castle level and guess what? he can't break our garrison even with all his heroes (jacques and rose included) cause the siege battle only last less than 15s even with his tanky af bane and gafgar... so please stop complaining in forums and get good :)
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:37 am

Shierka wrote:
this is plain stupid guys. without jacques how do you break a castle defense full of gold? think about it if there's no jacques then we all just hole up in our castle and literally no one can touch us. i personally like jacques because it breaks the stalemate made by full gold garrison. and now since they buffed healing time of wall troops you shouldn't even complain lol. on my server there's a huge fucking whale that have every heroes and 3 tier above in our middle average spender castle level and guess what? he can't break our garrison even with all his heroes (jacques and rose included) cause the siege battle only last less than 15s even with his tanky af bane and gafgar... so please stop complaining in forums and get good :)


A golden garrison can line up to 18 golden squads. Which are damn expensive and would have insane healing time once destroyed. You are not supposed to just break it. I mean an average gold capped army has 5-6 maybe 7 golden squads. If you engage 18 golden squads it pretty damn should destroy you.
Before the jacques madness it took alot ppl like 5-6 ppl with max gold lineups maybe even with borrowed golden catapults to break one full garrison stack. And this was good. Spending dozen thousends of rare mats, months of rss, weeks of building time should make your garrison hard to break.

The whale you are talking about is doing it simply wrong. No matter how good a garrison now is, you attack it with jacques and bronze you kill for sure at least 2-3 golden squads, you heal and repeat. Do it with 5 ppl and after 3-4 weaves of attacks the garrison will be dead, without any losses except for bronze on your side.
Take away jacques and that bronze army wont kill any golden units or maybe 1-3 units (not squads) which wouldnt be worth the effort, so you would have to use silver and gold (like it was before the jacques madness) and there you begin to think is it worth it? Do you organise a huge raid with a whole house, who strikes first to engage the first strongest wave, who builds siege weapons? Now you dont care, there are no strategic thoughts left in the game.
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:53 am

Shierka wrote:
this is plain stupid guys. without jacques how do you break a castle defense full of gold? think about it if there's no jacques then we all just hole up in our castle and literally no one can touch us. i personally like jacques because it breaks the stalemate made by full gold garrison. and now since they buffed healing time of wall troops you shouldn't even complain lol. on my server there's a huge fucking whale that have every heroes and 3 tier above in our middle average spender castle level and guess what? he can't break our garrison even with all his heroes (jacques and rose included) cause the siege battle only last less than 15s even with his tanky af bane and gafgar... so please stop complaining in forums and get good :)



I see you are a solo player. Or that whale is a solo player. This game is a massive multiplayer grand strategy. Sieging a city in real life takes time and manpower and many armies.

Currently that is not the case in the game. It takes jacques and some paper cutouts.

Before it was a hard earn victory and cities being taken was a big deal. Now it is oh hey guys I got zerod today I’ll be in the capital for the week have fun.

You wake up the next day to find half of your kingdom taken by the enemy and you and four of your mates set out to do what the enemy did to you while they sleep and bam now both sides are crippplws for a week and there are 22 open cities no one captures because everyone is in the capital and can not leave the capital.
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Shierka
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:08 am

everything you said is correct except if you're gonna go full force to destroy a single garrison you'd probably get 2 or 3 days hospital time for all of your attackers and hey the city still have a lot of garrison left in it. and hey this random dude just jumped in to defend and you are running out of people with healthy army to siege... so when will you take the city? never lol because when you are done with your hospital bills the first person you destroyed are already back and you have lost so many units that its impossible to recover unless you are using massive smurf army to farm.. it's just plain stupid if you'd ask me...

oh dont forget you might get dueled after your attack and it would be literally impossible to take a god damn city...
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:22 am

>>>>>>>>>>>"Sieging a city in real life takes time and manpower and many armies"

Love when people compare real life with mobile game :) It always makes sense!

On a serious note, the way Jacques is now is good. He doesn't need a nerf.
Without him such element as "siege" will completely be removed from this game.
Everyone will just escort carts and sit in a Giant City, farming wood, gold and elixir.
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:28 am

PrinceCharming wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>"Sieging a city in real life takes time and manpower and many armies"

Love when people compare real life with mobile game :) It always makes sense!

On a serious note, the way Jacques is now is good. He doesn't need a nerf.
Without him such element as "siege" will completely be removed from this game.
Everyone will just escort carts and sit in a Giant City, farming wood, gold and elixir.


What? How long are you playing this game? Jacque got absurd like in the last 3-4 weeks, the game is about half year old. You are saying there was no siege until jacques+bronze mechs? :)
For sieging you have catapults, have you seen any lately? No, who cares, noone uses them everyone goes jacques.
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:42 pm

Leghion wrote:
PrinceCharming wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>"Sieging a city in real life takes time and manpower and many armies"

Love when people compare real life with mobile game :) It always makes sense!

On a serious note, the way Jacques is now is good. He doesn't need a nerf.
Without him such element as "siege" will completely be removed from this game.
Everyone will just escort carts and sit in a Giant City, farming wood, gold and elixir.


What? How long are you playing this game? Jacque got absurd like in the last 3-4 weeks, the game is about half year old. You are saying there was no siege until jacques+bronze mechs? :)
For sieging you have catapults, have you seen any lately? No, who cares, noone uses them everyone goes jacques.

I play around 1 month :)
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I just mean that you should think 10 times before risking even 1 silver cannon that costs 15k gold and 600 mithrill. hello? how about gold one :)
BECAUSE DEADEYES ON WALLS CAN TARGET YOUR SIEGE MACHINE FIRST AND ONE SHOT IT!
 
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Re: Jacques is the key

Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:54 pm

Leghion wrote:
What? How long are you playing this game? Jacque got absurd like in the last 3-4 weeks, the game is about half year old.


Jacques have always been the same, it's just that before we had better options than him, arguably. Yes, we had stronger heroes than Jacques and whales didn't had to bother with a overbuffed hero, what happens now is that the numbers are more noticeable. Cleo and bronzes would wipe a wall way easier than Jacques, same for Gazul or the summons.

And I agree with the others, increasing heal time only for the defenders while it should be for everyone is just very stupid. The warehouse started killing the sieges for rss slowly, then auto shield, then this.
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