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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:42 pm

Having your ideal loadout does not solve this. Rhony had his "ideal" set up, even with 3 archers on the wall he gets wiped easily. Attacker troops are too strong when they have hero bonus's. Maybe adding a hero to the garrision isn't the best idea but it can't be left as it now. Garrisons need a buff, Another idea is a new damage reduction tree for hero damage on troops maybe up to 20%-40%. I would say 20% for pvp and full tree bonus gives another 20% to defensive troops only

The changes made to elena have made liches the the best class to bronze run with now since you are guaranteed to safely retreat all your spiders before they die. Elena staying at the back provides too much safety and when more people reliaze this it will be used way more frequently. Before only 1-2 units would be retreated before elena dies and it was risky, now you can safely retreat 4-5 units.

Just please remove her strategic retreat from siege battles.
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:31 pm

I agree garrison formations are a great idea to set up. Even being able to garrison heroes would be a very nice improvement, let them auto deploy and are injured if they die, no ability usage. But I think real underlying problem is that players can make trash builds and only play one part of the game. We need to force them to play full game.

Here are some suggestions:
-Have troop auto deploy formations. You will just field troops with no heroes. Open up a 12 hour window after you get sieged you can attack the persons auto deploy formation to get 100% of resources back if you win (only 1 chance at this). Both players would have no heroes, no borrowed troops. 100% injury rate for defender, 90% for attacker. This will force people to have well rounded armies and have some sort of PvP build. This obviously can't happen with heroes because both players would need to be logged on at the same time.

-An alternate approach to the above idea is a 72 hour window after someone attacks you but it will be a fight with heroes. This will give enough penalty if someone wants to hide for 3 days after sieging and will be real pvp combat. Same rules stand with injury rates and if you don't deploy troops it is auto loss just like when taking a city. This would need to be a separate tab, not on the house activity log.

-After someones sieges someone from your kingdom they get a skull for 24 hours. If they retreat from an attack they will get the surrender debuff and all their heroes will be injured. Also the plunder rate of their city will be increased by 10% and auto shield will be disabled.

In summary both of these options will help with the garrison issue, bronze runs, and only having units in your army for sieging. There are still many more balance problems between races that need to be addressed to make this fair, but this is a step forward in gameplay.
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:50 pm

Do you have proof that the bonuses of land type do not apply to your garrison because many have said the opposite?
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:22 pm

Dazed wrote:
in light of the new legend rhonny video and the obvious garrison failures on lilith's part i question if its just sloppy coding or perhaps we can expect an update to this poorly working feature ? There was many waves of feathers infront of front line troops and this is so broken and basically punishes you for having a 'strong' garrison by feeding your main dps as front line fodder .. morale chaining off that alone + the waste of a perfectly good wall squad for nxt wave is competley absurd and this needs to be addressed ASAP.. the bronze 13's beating down gold 13's should also be addressed ...balance is needed...

Post any thoughts or comments and hopefully we can get some changes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4BQsrvglI


Well played LordJohny owning “ex legend” Rhony. I think the garrison is just perfect. Allowing you to setup up your garrison how you like it is a good idea. What i dont get is when other people were on the receiving end of what Johny did to Rhony there were no complaints from Rhony. Now that he got his asss handed to him in both pvp and sieging he starts crying. Be a man Rhony accept that Johny is a better player and move on.

Also what is the problem with that video? A very skilled player Johny taking down a fully stacked wall with only 5 gold units and rest silver and heroes. Why is that not balanced? Johny used his heroes in a very smart way, very strategically placed troops and timing for each skill was also close to perfect. A very nicely played siege and ex legend Rhony cannot complain when he was outplayed. We cant just change game just because Rhony lost. The game does not revolve around Rhony.
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:22 pm

Strappedcorn wrote:
Do you have proof that the bonuses of land type do not apply to your garrison because many have said the opposite?

pretty sure he has that from the rhony video, and rhony didnt have any prove.
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:39 am

Doomandgloom wrote:
Dazed wrote:
in light of the new legend rhonny video and the obvious garrison failures on lilith's part i question if its just sloppy coding or perhaps we can expect an update to this poorly working feature ? There was many waves of feathers infront of front line troops and this is so broken and basically punishes you for having a 'strong' garrison by feeding your main dps as front line fodder .. morale chaining off that alone + the waste of a perfectly good wall squad for nxt wave is competley absurd and this needs to be addressed ASAP.. the bronze 13's beating down gold 13's should also be addressed ...balance is needed...

Post any thoughts or comments and hopefully we can get some changes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok4BQsrvglI


Well played LordJohny owning “ex legend” Rhony. I think the garrison is just perfect. Allowing you to setup up your garrison how you like it is a good idea. What i dont get is when other people were on the receiving end of what Johny did to Rhony there were no complaints from Rhony. Now that he got his asss handed to him in both pvp and sieging he starts crying. Be a man Rhony accept that Johny is a better player and move on.

Also what is the problem with that video? A very skilled player Johny taking down a fully stacked wall with only 5 gold units and rest silver and heroes. Why is that not balanced? Johny used his heroes in a very smart way, very strategically placed troops and timing for each skill was also close to perfect. A very nicely played siege and ex legend Rhony cannot complain when he was outplayed. We cant just change game just because Rhony lost. The game does not revolve around Rhony.


one thing is to be outplayed - other thing is if lvl XIII bronze destroy wall of lvl XIII gold - that has nothing to do with outplaying but something with balance + retarded wall AI- the only reason why people are mentioning it on EN forums is that there were quite a lot of people whom were watching his videos - and it is excellent example of stupid balance + retarded wall AI of this game which was seen by many (this has nothing to do with Rhony himself but fact that it got quite a broad audience thats all)

same like Jacques for early game which is completely OP and still no one has done anything with it yet which is total BS

additionally to that this game late game is so much P2W that it is not worthy for non Paying players to play it -> you simply cant keep on with constructions builds quick enough to be competitive or you cant attack several times in a row once you are defeated because for that you have to pay linari -> which is actually pity as this game got great potential (actually i am sure that it is earning huge amount of money for lilith nevertheless totally shitty balance and non balanced events etc.)
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:57 am

thankyou for the support , as stated above this isnt about rhonny specifically but just using it as an example of lvl 13 bronze vs lvl13 golds on siege and getting poor AI loadouts from the available troops .. thoughts , suggestions and idea's all welcome , as it stands this 'feature' isnt working properly and needs attention..
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:12 am

There is no fix for simple stuff like heroes getting stuck on dead bodies but you expect new defense AI :roll: Happy New year everyone. I hope your wishes come true :D
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:16 am

Destination wrote:
Strappedcorn wrote:
Do you have proof that the bonuses of land type do not apply to your garrison because many have said the opposite?

pretty sure he has that from the rhony video, and rhony didnt have any prove.

Discord group disagrees and that includes kripp. Which is one of the guys who attacked him.
 
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Re: Garrison Overhaul Needed ..

Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:28 am

Strappedcorn wrote:
Destination wrote:
Strappedcorn wrote:
Do you have proof that the bonuses of land type do not apply to your garrison because many have said the opposite?

pretty sure he has that from the rhony video, and rhony didnt have any prove.

Discord group disagrees and that includes kripp. Which is one of the guys who attacked him.

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